Article Archives

birdtricksters.com

A Word About Information Sources

This page is intended to be a caution against relying on internet information available from internet marketers claiming to be professional trainers.

First off let me mention some legitimate trainers and information sources that we do endorse: Bob Bailey, Sid Price of Avian Ambassadors, Barbara Heidenreich of Good Bird Magazine, Steve Martin of NEI and Dr. Susan Friedman of Utah State University. We do not always agree with them or they us but we feel their overall level of knowledge and experience make them good resources for all parrot owners.

Please read the information here before reading further. This is another link about the same group. I highly encourage you to look over these links.

It is my opinion that Birdtricks.com is a similar internet marketing group. And based on the comments I have heard from other professional trainers and from numerous bird owners, they are well known in the bird community for copying information and presenting it as their own as well as engaging in other questionable marketing practices. Many people have expressed concern to me over the advice given in the DVDs they sell as educational material.

Three articles from Sid Price you should read: Bird Tricks to Avoid and Best In Flock article, The Real Secrets of Training And Where To Find Them. I highly encourage you to read these articles. If you have read these articles you will know to carefully check any bird related website to see if the links to the recommended “bird training videos” lead you to a website with birdtricks or Chet Womach. If it does, it is my opinion the site is probably one of dozens of such websites owned and/or created by Chet Womach of birdtricks or is one of their paid affiliate websites, each designed to make it look like unbiased people think their worthless videos are worth spending money on. It is my recommendation that when you find such a website, immediately close the window and do not return to it again.

We made the mistake of allowing Dave and Jamie Womach of birdtricks to join us here in Moab Utah to help them fly their young African Grey in April of 2008. We picked them up and dropped them off at the airport, let them stay in our home and all for free. While here Dave and Jamie told us this was their first venture into freeflying parrots.

18 months later they have expanded their business to include selling their “expert advice” on freefight training. For $5000 they will provide personal instruction on flying parrots, including personal training with the person’s bird here in Moab, at the very locations we took them.

We recently ran into them at two of those locations. The first encounter we were polite and agreed to fly our birds with them. But after listening to their birds begging for food due to their hunger level we chose not to fly with them the next day when we encountered them again. Though we instead selected a spot to fly several hundred yards away from them, we could still hear their birds crying for food. It was painful to hear and really emphasized for us why we set up this website – because inexperienced bird owners like the birdtricks people should not be training others about freeflight.

I encourage you to also read what Sid Price said about the use of hunger in response to a blog article from Dave and Jamie Womach of birdtricks. Visit Sid’s blog and search for the entry entitled “The Misuse of Weight Management, August 20th, 2009″. The original blog post in question was entitled “Are Pet Shop Birds Trainable?” Posted by: Jamieleigh on: August 10, 2009.

Read these two articles about our position on the use of hunger.

Unfortunately because many professional trainers proclaim how difficult it is to train flight, the Womach videos of flying their parrots at locations in Moab make them look highly skilled. But the truth is that if you approach flight training correctly, as we outline on this website, nature’s built in flight training system does most of the work for you and it is fairly simple to do. Dave and Chet Womach are internet marketers and entertainers presenting themselves as professional bird trainers. They have very little actual experience training or flying parrots and have only been flying parrots outdoors since April 2008.

From an academic stand point a huge reason to avoid any birdtricks material is that they use non standard terminology. By doing this they can appear to create a new term or name and then claim they invented the idea. Their term “the power pause” is commonly known as a “time out”. Many scientific terms of operant conditioning are also renamed and claimed as their new discovery. Beside the unethical nature of renaming known terms to claim them as their own invention, it also puts the student at a significant disadvantage when communicating with credible animal trainers and when learning from credible written papers, websites and textbooks.

Please be careful following information and instruction from such people who are so new to training and freeflight. Especially be careful of relying on information from ethically challenged people. The Freeflight concept is a great experience for both bird and owner. Freeflying in any style is great fun, but it is also very serious since birds can easily be lost or killed, especially when Sport Flying.

To be clear here, we do not endorse birdtricks or the Womachs and do not wish to be associated with them in any way. We recommend that you not purchase any training material or courses from birdtricks or anyone who in any way promotes or sells their materials.

www.birdtricked.com or www.birdtricksters.com will bring people to this page. Please help new bird people avoid birdtricks by sending new bird owners a link to this page.

6 Responses to “birdtricksters.com”

  1. Hi Chris, I just recently found your article exposing birdtricks.com and I am very sorry for what happened. Before I found your article, I was a big fan of birdtricks.com and was actually interested in their freeflight training course until they told me it was $6000. The fact that you and Susan picked them up and dropped them off at the airport and gave them a free stay and them going around and really just stealing your idea and selling it as their own just makes me really enraged.

    I’ve watched your videos and I’m actually a member of the yahoo freeflight group and I just wanted to thank you for posting that article exposing birdtricks for what they are. What you do is awe inspiring and I just want to let you know that your work is very much appreciated by those that have a true passion for parrots. I aspire to someday become as great a bird trainer and educator as you are. Please keep doing what you do.

    With kind regards,

    John

  2. Hi Chris
    I have heard from many people that it is OK to train your adult parrot by taking the food out of their cages for 6 hours, and then stick your hand in the cage with treats on it. Now I think that this is wrong, because you are basically starving your birds. Would leaving the food in the cage, and then putting in your hand with treats on it work?

    Thanks, Yorek

  3. I am just saying this to answer your question it could work but it is very unhealthy birds eat all the time in small amounts 6 hours locked up they would eat seeds out of a dogs mouth they would literally be starving birds digest and poop out their food about in an hour

  4. Our birds do often go six hours between feeding and we often do training during that time frame. They are not showing behavior of being overly hungry and no they are not starving. The term starving suggests physical deterioration due to insufficient food intake. Our birds are kept at what in the falconry community is called “free weight”, meaning their weight is what it would be if they ate as much food as they wanted, which is what they do. There is more to getting motivation to participate than just food intake, which is one of my reasons for discouraging weight management. People need to learn to use those other factors, not just dropping the weight, which can be dangerous for the bird. There is difference between weight management and food management. Make sure you understand the difference. I would recommend you read A Little Motivation Is A Good Thing and Building Interests In Food Rewards. Chris

  5. Greetings,

    I find this discussion very interesting. I can understand why you would be very offended by the Womacks’ actions, and would discourage others from purchasing what they offer. Even if they had perfect expertise and knowledge, their having credibility issues would kill any desire I would have to accept what they have to offer.
    On the other hand, the argument that they have “only” been flying birds since 2008 isn’t necessarily a bad thing– it is now 2011, and this is not rocket science. It takes “only” 4 years to become an electrical or mechanical engineer at a university… it stands to reason that one could become a competent bird flyer in 2 or 3 years.
    That being said, who on earth would pay $6000 to train a bird that only costs $1000 or so, if that? Seems a bit exorbitant and unreasonable.
    I own an Anfrican raven/crow hybrid which I would very much like to train to fly free or at least on a tether (jesses). Am also soon to purchase a baby African grey. Does anyone know if techniques to train parrots can be used with corvids? Does anyone have any advice on how to start raising the baby with free flight in mind? Should I not clip her wings at all?
    Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
    Thank you,
    David
    Norfolk, VA

  6. I generally try to avoid doing any business with people I have reason to believe are ethically challenged. That is just me.

    As to using similar techniques with ravens or crows, I believe the same process would apply. No do not clip the wings at all if you wish to fly the bird outdoors. The last thing that bird needs to be handicapped when facing a difficult situation. It is best if the bird has its full capabilities, both physical and mental, when flying outdoors. As to how to start training the baby bird for freeflight, there is some information on this site but to really want to go into this in depth to take one of our flight training classes. Chris

Your thoughts are always welcome ~ Please Reply!